Posts by Yura Ivanova

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How Can Members of JWN Be Classified as Apostates When They Are Only Telling The Story as it Really is?

by Yura Ivanova in

this term apostates, sure there are many that [deviate] from the [true] message.. but how can those that sit in the pews be the ones that can be called apostates if they stand up and tell it like it is?.

apostate, its just [another] of [many] labels that are used by the watchtower so as to instill fear, so that no one will question the establishment.. but, jesus and others before him rose up to tell the story how it really is, and see what happened to them, nothing has really changed, the [false] story still goes on.. but, those who have doubts, know that the watchtower is full of shit nonsense, my question is, why are you still there?

will it get you anywhere by remaining?

Yura Ivanova

I agree with you all 100%, but it is the Watchtower that should be wearing the label, how can someone who speaks the truth in the face of flasehood rightly be called apostate?

I know, and associate with all your pain and grief, but I too have suffered and lost and have been subjected to all manner of lies, but this thing from hell has had its day, and ours is coming when we witness its collapse, and not before time, but this collpase has nothing to do with the end of time, and I wonder how these demons from hell will explain away to their follwers how Dog's [chosen] Organization collapsed and all without Armageddon coming? But, I think that many are waking up to the truth about the truth.

But, just to Ice the Cake, we need one really big explosive and exposive case so as to make that certainty come true.

This may be my last time posting, not only is my health very bad, but I am off to not so calm waters, and where posting or communicating may be very difficult.

I am happy to be out of Dog's Organization, and have never looked back. I lost a lot, but have met someone new, and we will marry, despite my now rapidly ailing health.

Yeah, the Borg screwed my life and family up, but I learned from it in a very big way, and also from other EXJW members that have suffered greatly, what a sad and painful way to pay attention to a wake up call.

My heart goes out to all those on here that have suffered greatly. You are not Apostates, but you are the real heroes that had the guts to stand up and say no, regardless of the cost.

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How Can Members of JWN Be Classified as Apostates When They Are Only Telling The Story as it Really is?

by Yura Ivanova in

this term apostates, sure there are many that [deviate] from the [true] message.. but how can those that sit in the pews be the ones that can be called apostates if they stand up and tell it like it is?.

apostate, its just [another] of [many] labels that are used by the watchtower so as to instill fear, so that no one will question the establishment.. but, jesus and others before him rose up to tell the story how it really is, and see what happened to them, nothing has really changed, the [false] story still goes on.. but, those who have doubts, know that the watchtower is full of shit nonsense, my question is, why are you still there?

will it get you anywhere by remaining?

Yura Ivanova

Cantleave, you aint no Apostate, but have spoken out against it, and as you have said have stood up against their outright falsehood and lies, but we need a mass demonstration, at Kingdom Halls, outside Branch Offices, writing blogs, so that those that run the Watchtower can feel the pain by the means of our anger.

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How Can Members of JWN Be Classified as Apostates When They Are Only Telling The Story as it Really is?

by Yura Ivanova in

this term apostates, sure there are many that [deviate] from the [true] message.. but how can those that sit in the pews be the ones that can be called apostates if they stand up and tell it like it is?.

apostate, its just [another] of [many] labels that are used by the watchtower so as to instill fear, so that no one will question the establishment.. but, jesus and others before him rose up to tell the story how it really is, and see what happened to them, nothing has really changed, the [false] story still goes on.. but, those who have doubts, know that the watchtower is full of shit nonsense, my question is, why are you still there?

will it get you anywhere by remaining?

Yura Ivanova

This term apostates, sure there are many that [deviate] from the [true] message.

But how can those that sit in the pews be the ones that can be called Apostates if they stand up and tell it like it is?

Apostate, its just [another] of [many] labels that are used by the Watchtower so as to instill fear, so that no one will question the Establishment.

But, Jesus and others before him rose up to tell the story how it really is, and see what happened to them, nothing has really changed, the [false] story still goes on.

But, those who have doubts, know that the Watchtower is full of shit nonsense, my question is, why are you still there? Will it get you anywhere by remaining? If you know its shit wrong, then why are you still there? Why do you put up with it?

Are you afraid of being labelled as an Apostate if you stand up and speak out?

In actual fact you will not be an Apostate, as Apostates dont tell the truth, they tell lies, but many members on here have only spoken [the truth] in the face of Apostasy of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Cult, so if you [who lurk] and you have doubts, and you know and fell that the Watchtower is wrong, and you want to do something about it, then what are you waiting for?

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One for the lurkers, how sure are you that the JWs are right?

by Aussie Oz in

got to pondering on the drive home tonight about some stuff i will say to my son, who at this time is thinking about whether to stay with jws or not.. two babies are born, by chance even on the same day.

one is raised a jw the other as no particular religion at all.

time passes and they stay with their respective upbringings into the late teens.. kid 1 (no religion) gets into normal teenage strife, sleeps around, does a bit of dodgy shit along the way while kid 2 (jw) is pretty much a good jw kid, keeps his nose clean and pleases mummy and the elders a lot but is not baptized.. one rainy night they are both in a freak head on crash with each other and both die.. which one has the better hope?

Yura Ivanova

The one born into no religion has [more hope] that that of a JW, because the JW'S hold fast to what their [false shepherds] in Brooklyn [tell] them that they [must] believe in order to get [salvation]. There is really no Judgement for [JWS] as the operation of error goes to them so they [believe] in the lie so that they really are the [instigators] and [creators] of their very [own] judgement. Glad I got out.

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One for the lurkers, how sure are you that the JWs are right?

by Aussie Oz in

got to pondering on the drive home tonight about some stuff i will say to my son, who at this time is thinking about whether to stay with jws or not.. two babies are born, by chance even on the same day.

one is raised a jw the other as no particular religion at all.

time passes and they stay with their respective upbringings into the late teens.. kid 1 (no religion) gets into normal teenage strife, sleeps around, does a bit of dodgy shit along the way while kid 2 (jw) is pretty much a good jw kid, keeps his nose clean and pleases mummy and the elders a lot but is not baptized.. one rainy night they are both in a freak head on crash with each other and both die.. which one has the better hope?

Yura Ivanova

As for End time, we are not in it yet. This End Time thing is Middle Eastern Based. This is still far away. We are not the Generation that will see all these things. The Last Ruler of the World, he's not American, he's not Russian, he's not European, but comes from Assyria, and his Capital will be in Babylon [Iraq]. Even though these things are far away, the onus is still on us all to make sure that we are in the right camp for when the time comes.

As for the truth, the truth is that the Watchtower are not it, they never ever had it, and wouldnt kno it even if it stared them in the face. Everyone must search for this themselves, and in the words of the Watchtower, "make the truth your own", and this can be done by one making his own search for it instead of relying on what others tell them.

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One for the lurkers, how sure are you that the JWs are right?

by Aussie Oz in

got to pondering on the drive home tonight about some stuff i will say to my son, who at this time is thinking about whether to stay with jws or not.. two babies are born, by chance even on the same day.

one is raised a jw the other as no particular religion at all.

time passes and they stay with their respective upbringings into the late teens.. kid 1 (no religion) gets into normal teenage strife, sleeps around, does a bit of dodgy shit along the way while kid 2 (jw) is pretty much a good jw kid, keeps his nose clean and pleases mummy and the elders a lot but is not baptized.. one rainy night they are both in a freak head on crash with each other and both die.. which one has the better hope?

Yura Ivanova

Dear Oz, I am not sure if the JWS are right, but I am very sure they are wrong, and that goes for any [Christian] religion. If they are wrong in one teaching, you can be sure they are wrong in others too.

You mentioned the Resurrection; there has been no Resurrection to Heaven since 1918 onwards [in staggered stages].

The Resurrection, of which there are [2], all of us will either come into one or the other. The [1 st ] is for those who have died in Christ. They will rise alongside those who are alive on Christ’s final arrival. They put on immortality, whereas the Great Crowd doesn’t. During the Millennial, those who have put on immortality will live on past this Reign, whereas the Great Crowd wont. There will still be sickness, death and rebellion. The Millennial Reign is only a Restorative Period. The names are not written into the Book of Life until the End of this period, until after the [2 nd ] Resurrection when all will be brought back [Hitler and Jaracz included], but only God can decide who will live on and who will not.

My point? The JWS who chose to [believe in this lie] will certainly not come back in the [1 st ] Resurrection because they didn’t believe in the [real] Gospel of the Kingdom. It will be decided at the [2 nd ] Resurrection.

All those that died believing in these lies, they died with a false hope, even all the kids that died refusing blood, they died [believing] they were doing it for God, but were doing it instead for their [Gods] and [False Shepherds] in Brooklyn. These False Shepherds, their hands are dripping with blood of very innocent people.

The Bible itself tells us that the onus is on us to check all things out very carefully, so as to be really sure [Acts 17:11, 1 John 4:1 Proverbs 20:25].

Since leaving the JWS, I have not joined any other group, for they are all pretty much the same and all cut from the same lump of wood, and as the saying goes, “once bitten, twice shy” or “measure twice and cut once”, and for those that are still in, and are [any] having doubts, better wake up and address those doubts now instead of paying for the mistakes later, in other words, [get out now while you can].

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Lost Parrot Tells Police His Address

by Perry in

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posted: may 02, 2012 5:36 am cdtend wndateupdated: may 02, 2012 5:36 am cdt.

end wndateend wnstoryheaderend wnstoryrelatedboxsource: afp.

sagamihara, japan -- a pet parakeet was returned to its japanese owner wednesday after the brainy bird told police its home address near tokyo.. link

Yura Ivanova

Funny you should say this. The local elders visited me the other day and my pet Parrott dropped me in the shit by saying, "the Watchtowr's full of shit". You got to be careful what you say in front of these Parrotts because you dont know if they will land you in it at some point. After the elders left I gave my Parrott a good boy reward.

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Apostasy my ass!

by Glander in

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let's call it what it is - disagreeing with the watchtower bible and tract society after baptism into the cult.

in no way is the literal definition of the word "apostasy" applicable to what the cult is using the word for.

it is a buzz word that scares the crap out of the rank and file and keeps them from communicating with those who have become enlightened about the cults lies.. we here on jwn have accepted the wt label, "apostates", with a sense of humor, such as calling our get togethers apostafests, etc.. but we are actually the "enlightened"..

Yura Ivanova

Of Course, but does the word Apostate really carry the weight it did many moons ago? How many still listen to the Watchtower drivel and still communicate with disfellowshipped ones? The Watchtower is losing power, soon it will also fade, but not as many on here have done, but the Watchtower will fade into obscurity and will never rise again. All cults and sects of the same ilk have a life cycle. Too much has been exposed for it to regain any footing and credibility. The Watchower is on its way out, and when it is it will no longer be able to call the kettle black by labelling people for something that it does itself, but cant admit to, namely, to apostasize.

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Apostasy my ass!

by Glander in

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let's call it what it is - disagreeing with the watchtower bible and tract society after baptism into the cult.

in no way is the literal definition of the word "apostasy" applicable to what the cult is using the word for.

it is a buzz word that scares the crap out of the rank and file and keeps them from communicating with those who have become enlightened about the cults lies.. we here on jwn have accepted the wt label, "apostates", with a sense of humor, such as calling our get togethers apostafests, etc.. but we are actually the "enlightened"..

Yura Ivanova

Nobody on here is Apostate. Like Jesus, all those that spoke out against falsehood were brandished [blasphemers]. The Term Apostate has little to do with what EX JWS say concerning the practices of the Watchtower. Apostasy is linked to the Great Falling Away from the True Faith just bfore the Great Tribulation, this might still be very far off into the future? We might not see it, we may not even be the Generation that is to witness all these things? If anything, it is the Watchtower that has committed the act of Apostasy, and ever since 1879. But, their BS is now wearing thin, and as CEDARS said in a recent article, they are on the decline [rapidly]. They were initially banned only in [3] states, but they are banned here now in [all] states in Russia. The power of the Internet now allows even rank and file to examine the truth about the so called truth. Over 1.5 million have left the ranks since the year 2000, and no doubt many of these after finding the real christ have also had their names added to the Watchtowers list of Apostates. But, the Watchtowers rule by fear wont last forever, its wearing thin now. I wonder what will happen after 2014 for the rank and file when life goes on as normal? I wonder what would happen if there was a mass protest and rebellion? What would the Watchtower do then? Would everyone taking part be labelled as Apostate?

Yura Ivanova

Kazan

The Russian Federation

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Cofty please read

by mouthy in

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i have been concerned about you...how is the health really going?

after i kidded you about the black sheep ,i worried encase you thought i was calling you one.

the nutty proffesoress.but i cant find anywhere where you are telling us .

Yura Ivanova

Cofty, please take care. Take it easy. I will have prayer said for you in Jerusalem and other communities I belong to. I hope all goes well and wish you a speedy recovery